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	<description>Taco "Nat" Buitenhuis</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 00:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on using an mp3 player as an &#8220;ebook reader&#8221; by Nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can you do to get the text out of a protected ebook?

The shortest answer is "nothing". You might take a screenshot of each page and then feed those images to OCR software... but that's really not worth the effort. Also, note that you may need to switch on a "text selection" tool in the document viewer to be able to copy-paste. Also, if I remember correctly, acroread has a "save as text" menu item in the file menu.

The somewhat longer answer is that someone somewhere may have made a program to do that, but you're asking the wrong person. I don't know much about software for MS Windows, I never used that operating system for anything else than simple office tasks ... and even that was many years ago. By the way, please note that depending on where you live, it may be illegal to break the copy protection of an ebook you paid for. Silly but true.

The ultimate answer is that your computer isn't doing what you want (converting some ebook format to plain text), but what someone else wants it to do (which is refusing to do what you want). It's an annoying situation which is a natural result of using software of which you don't have the human-readable code. If you did had that sourcecode, you (or someone else) could modify it to ignore the "disallow copying" information in ebook files. Unfortunately I'm not sure if such software (known as "free software" or "freedomware" or "open source" ) is available for all ebook formats. PDF is no problem, about the others I don't know. It's difficult to create software that reads file formats that are not published standards...

As far as possible, I use only software that I'm allowed to modify. This is one of the reasons I don't use MS Windows. Another reason is that Windows simply can't be made to work the way I like (this can be argued to be the same reason in different words). Linux (more precisely GNU/Linux) is what I use. If you're curious, I recommend this website: http://www.getgnulinux.org/

UNIX is a group of operating systems that are all derived from one operating system designed very long ago, that are certified to match some standards. For example Solaris and BSD are UNIX, and - surprise! - so is MacOS X (if I'm not mistaken. at least it is UNIX-like, see next paragraph).

UNIX-like is a bigger group of operating systems, that all resemble UNIX. Most of these allow you to work in a graphical environment similar to what you're used to from Windows, but all also have a text based working environment ("command line"). The general method of using the command line is to write a description of what you want in some plain text file(s), run some small program(s), and find what you want in a new file made by said programs. This may seem primitive, but it allows for really advanced automation of tasks. For example a few years ago I was in a situation where images and bits of text were shared between a few documents. I made it so that after modifying some image or text, I would have to type only one word on the command line, and my computer would figure out which documents needed to be updated, would update them, and then upload both pdf and html versions to my website. This automation was quite easy to do!

To convert an ebook to plain text, I would type this on the command line:

pdftotext AliceInWonderland.pdf AliceInWonderland.txt

Super easy, but works only for pdf files. For other filetypes there are other commands (for example antiword or catdoc for MS Word files), but as I said before I don't know if these are available for all ebook filetypes. Usually a good strategy is to first "print" them to a postscript (ps) file in Windows, and then use ps2txt on Linux. Chances are that if copy-pasting isn't allowed, printing isn't allowed either, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can you do to get the text out of a protected ebook?</p>
<p>The shortest answer is &#8220;nothing&#8221;. You might take a screenshot of each page and then feed those images to OCR software&#8230; but that&#8217;s really not worth the effort. Also, note that you may need to switch on a &#8220;text selection&#8221; tool in the document viewer to be able to copy-paste. Also, if I remember correctly, acroread has a &#8220;save as text&#8221; menu item in the file menu.</p>
<p>The somewhat longer answer is that someone somewhere may have made a program to do that, but you&#8217;re asking the wrong person. I don&#8217;t know much about software for MS Windows, I never used that operating system for anything else than simple office tasks &#8230; and even that was many years ago. By the way, please note that depending on where you live, it may be illegal to break the copy protection of an ebook you paid for. Silly but true.</p>
<p>The ultimate answer is that your computer isn&#8217;t doing what you want (converting some ebook format to plain text), but what someone else wants it to do (which is refusing to do what you want). It&#8217;s an annoying situation which is a natural result of using software of which you don&#8217;t have the human-readable code. If you did had that sourcecode, you (or someone else) could modify it to ignore the &#8220;disallow copying&#8221; information in ebook files. Unfortunately I&#8217;m not sure if such software (known as &#8220;free software&#8221; or &#8220;freedomware&#8221; or &#8220;open source&#8221; ) is available for all ebook formats. PDF is no problem, about the others I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s difficult to create software that reads file formats that are not published standards&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as possible, I use only software that I&#8217;m allowed to modify. This is one of the reasons I don&#8217;t use MS Windows. Another reason is that Windows simply can&#8217;t be made to work the way I like (this can be argued to be the same reason in different words). Linux (more precisely GNU/Linux) is what I use. If you&#8217;re curious, I recommend this website: <a href="http://www.getgnulinux.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getgnulinux.org/</a></p>
<p>UNIX is a group of operating systems that are all derived from one operating system designed very long ago, that are certified to match some standards. For example Solaris and BSD are UNIX, and - surprise! - so is MacOS X (if I&#8217;m not mistaken. at least it is UNIX-like, see next paragraph).</p>
<p>UNIX-like is a bigger group of operating systems, that all resemble UNIX. Most of these allow you to work in a graphical environment similar to what you&#8217;re used to from Windows, but all also have a text based working environment (&#8221;command line&#8221;). The general method of using the command line is to write a description of what you want in some plain text file(s), run some small program(s), and find what you want in a new file made by said programs. This may seem primitive, but it allows for really advanced automation of tasks. For example a few years ago I was in a situation where images and bits of text were shared between a few documents. I made it so that after modifying some image or text, I would have to type only one word on the command line, and my computer would figure out which documents needed to be updated, would update them, and then upload both pdf and html versions to my website. This automation was quite easy to do!</p>
<p>To convert an ebook to plain text, I would type this on the command line:</p>
<p>pdftotext AliceInWonderland.pdf AliceInWonderland.txt</p>
<p>Super easy, but works only for pdf files. For other filetypes there are other commands (for example antiword or catdoc for MS Word files), but as I said before I don&#8217;t know if these are available for all ebook filetypes. Usually a good strategy is to first &#8220;print&#8221; them to a postscript (ps) file in Windows, and then use ps2txt on Linux. Chances are that if copy-pasting isn&#8217;t allowed, printing isn&#8217;t allowed either, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on using an mp3 player as an &#8220;ebook reader&#8221; by Safiyyah Muhammad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safiyyah Muhammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay thank you, but since many ebooks are protected against copy &#38; pasting....what can i do? What is  Linux and other UNIX-like operating systems i have windows.....

thanx
Nat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay thank you, but since many ebooks are protected against copy &amp; pasting&#8230;.what can i do? What is  Linux and other UNIX-like operating systems i have windows&#8230;..</p>
<p>thanx<br />
Nat</p>
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		<title>Comment on using an mp3 player as an &#8220;ebook reader&#8221; by Nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Safiyyah:

Open the document on your computer, select all text, copy the text, open a plain text editor (on windows this would be notepad), paste the text in that editor, save, and you're done.

Of course many ebooks are protected against this trick :/ .

On Linux and other UNIX-like operating systems there are many conversion utitilities with names like "pdftotext".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Safiyyah:</p>
<p>Open the document on your computer, select all text, copy the text, open a plain text editor (on windows this would be notepad), paste the text in that editor, save, and you&#8217;re done.</p>
<p>Of course many ebooks are protected against this trick :/ .</p>
<p>On Linux and other UNIX-like operating systems there are many conversion utitilities with names like &#8220;pdftotext&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on using an mp3 player as an &#8220;ebook reader&#8221; by Safiyyah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safiyyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am purchasing an mp3 player (samsung yp s5) and it includes the text feature, and i would like to read ebooks on there, however the only supported format for text files are .txt (plain text). Most ebooks dont have plain text there is juse Adobe, Mobipocket, and Mocrosoft reader. Is there a garunteed way to convert those formats in to plain text?? Please HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am purchasing an mp3 player (samsung yp s5) and it includes the text feature, and i would like to read ebooks on there, however the only supported format for text files are .txt (plain text). Most ebooks dont have plain text there is juse Adobe, Mobipocket, and Mocrosoft reader. Is there a garunteed way to convert those formats in to plain text?? Please HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on using an mp3 player as an &#8220;ebook reader&#8221; by Taco</title>
		<link>http://inatie.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/using-an-mp3-player-as-an-ebook-reader/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Taco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me know how that goes. I just had a look at some LaTeX generated by OpenOffice, and I think you may need to delete everything before \begin{document} and replace it by these commands:

\documentclass[10pt]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{txfonts}
\usepackage[vcentering,dvips]{geometry}
\geometry{papersize={128pt,160pt},total={108pt,140pt}}
\usepackage{color,graphicx}

I especially wonder what will happen to illustration and special formatting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me know how that goes. I just had a look at some LaTeX generated by OpenOffice, and I think you may need to delete everything before \begin{document} and replace it by these commands:</p>
<p>\documentclass[10pt]{article}<br />
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}<br />
\usepackage{txfonts}<br />
\usepackage[vcentering,dvips]{geometry}<br />
\geometry{papersize={128pt,160pt},total={108pt,140pt}}<br />
\usepackage{color,graphicx}</p>
<p>I especially wonder what will happen to illustration and special formatting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on using an mp3 player as an &#8220;ebook reader&#8221; by RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly what I was looking for. It's easy to generated formatted LateX files with Open Office.org. I will try this as soon as possible. 

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what I was looking for. It&#8217;s easy to generated formatted LateX files with Open Office.org. I will try this as soon as possible. </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on inkscape text to path confusion by Ozan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i used İnksCape for geological maping. simpler and easyer than CorelDraw</description>
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		<title>Comment on dare to be different! by Taco</title>
		<link>http://inatie.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/dare-to-be-different/#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator>Taco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for truth's sake: Sun released a little more than just the wm and terminal, but far from a complete OpenLook desktop. Especially no filemanager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for truth&#8217;s sake: Sun released a little more than just the wm and terminal, but far from a complete OpenLook desktop. Especially no filemanager.</p>
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		<title>Comment on dare to be different! by Taco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenLook screenshots - the post isn't about OpenLook, that is just my favorite example. And until someone is so friendly to donate a slightly aged Sun workstation to me, I can't make them. Sun never released more than the window manager and the terminal as free (open) software :/ . Someone made a clone of the file manager but never finished it.
If you MUST see a screenshot, here is one:
http://xwinman.org/screenshots/olwm.gif
and another one:
http://www.martin-graefe.homepage.t-online.de/openlook.gif
But please note that the true brilliance of openlook is in the behavior and not the looks of the widgets. Also, of course it looks damn ugly by todays standards because it lacks antialiasing.

Enlightenment - yes, it's nice. I use it. But it's not truly different from xfce and gnome. I know it's very customizable, and might be a good prototyping environment for an improved GUI, but it still has its limitations. For example I don't think splitable scrollbars can be made just by building an edje file.

Some e apps are nice because they are well designed, but at the same time those same apps are NOT nice because they are not even similar to each other. What we need is basic widgets that are "nice" so the whole desktop is both "nice" and consistent.

Consistent interfaces - I'm all for consistent interfaces. But why must they be consistent with a crappy design that just happens to be part of the dominant OS instead of just with themselves?

Interesting factoid: OpenLook was meant as a standard UI that could be implemented on any OS. There were multiple implementations of it that didn't share any code. Unfortunately the only that was (partially!) released as free software was XView/OpenWindows from Sun (which by the way has nothing to do with MS Windows). It was discontinued so Motif could become the universal GUI for UNIX... a big mistake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenLook screenshots - the post isn&#8217;t about OpenLook, that is just my favorite example. And until someone is so friendly to donate a slightly aged Sun workstation to me, I can&#8217;t make them. Sun never released more than the window manager and the terminal as free (open) software :/ . Someone made a clone of the file manager but never finished it.<br />
If you MUST see a screenshot, here is one:<br />
<a href="http://xwinman.org/screenshots/olwm.gif" rel="nofollow">http://xwinman.org/screenshots/olwm.gif</a><br />
and another one:<br />
<a href="http://www.martin-graefe.homepage.t-online.de/openlook.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.martin-graefe.homepage.t-online.de/openlook.gif</a><br />
But please note that the true brilliance of openlook is in the behavior and not the looks of the widgets. Also, of course it looks damn ugly by todays standards because it lacks antialiasing.</p>
<p>Enlightenment - yes, it&#8217;s nice. I use it. But it&#8217;s not truly different from xfce and gnome. I know it&#8217;s very customizable, and might be a good prototyping environment for an improved GUI, but it still has its limitations. For example I don&#8217;t think splitable scrollbars can be made just by building an edje file.</p>
<p>Some e apps are nice because they are well designed, but at the same time those same apps are NOT nice because they are not even similar to each other. What we need is basic widgets that are &#8220;nice&#8221; so the whole desktop is both &#8220;nice&#8221; and consistent.</p>
<p>Consistent interfaces - I&#8217;m all for consistent interfaces. But why must they be consistent with a crappy design that just happens to be part of the dominant OS instead of just with themselves?</p>
<p>Interesting factoid: OpenLook was meant as a standard UI that could be implemented on any OS. There were multiple implementations of it that didn&#8217;t share any code. Unfortunately the only that was (partially!) released as free software was XView/OpenWindows from Sun (which by the way has nothing to do with MS Windows). It was discontinued so Motif could become the universal GUI for UNIX&#8230; a big mistake!</p>
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		<title>Comment on dare to be different! by alten</title>
		<link>http://inatie.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/dare-to-be-different/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>alten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choice is good, but consistent interfaces win the usability stakes.  If you (and ONLY you) use only your own computer(s), customise to attain efficiency, but most people use a variety of computers, and customised versions just create inefficiencies there.  Ask anyone who has chosen to use a Dvorak keyboard!  

The quest for a better, more efficient GUI is an honest one, but doomed to obscurity.  There is already plenty of choice given by existing WMs - like Enlightenment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choice is good, but consistent interfaces win the usability stakes.  If you (and ONLY you) use only your own computer(s), customise to attain efficiency, but most people use a variety of computers, and customised versions just create inefficiencies there.  Ask anyone who has chosen to use a Dvorak keyboard!  </p>
<p>The quest for a better, more efficient GUI is an honest one, but doomed to obscurity.  There is already plenty of choice given by existing WMs - like Enlightenment.</p>
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